para mi aqui sucede como dijo alguien en otro tema, los gringos se estan poniendo las capuchas de Ku Kux Klan, xq no pueden entender como un mae que solo se ha montado tres veces en un carro de Busch ya este ganando una carrera, cuando muchos tienen decadas de ser pilotos en la Nascar y nunca han ganado nada.
Contextualicemos la NASCAR, no olvidemos que es el deporte de los estados de sur de Estados Unidos, por lo tanto super super cerrados y tradicionalistas(son los que formaron una guerrilla para matar mexicanos que cruzen la frontera). Por lo tanto pienso que les debe doler que un LATINO gane una competencia, no se lo esperaban.
Yo que leo foros de NASCAR y noticias me parece que le han dado una connotacion totalmente racista del tema.
No justifico ni avalo la accion de JPM, yo vi la carrera y pienso que son situaciones que se dan en una carrera, las cuales le dan esa pasion por la cual pienso que el automovilismo es uno de los mejores deportes del mundo.
Dudas luego del triunfo de Montoya en México
El Colmo, segun Rick, es culpa de Pruett el choque, no ya se puede acabar el mundo.
LA de Hamlin sobre JPM fue bompe con bompe, no como la de JPM que le dio en la esquina del auto. En fin en la primera fecha de este año, no recuerdo si Busch o NEXTEL, el segundo le pego por detras al primero y lo paso y relego a este que hiba de primero como al 5 lugar, si no me equivoco, esa obvio que ahi no hiba ha haber sancion, por eso se dice que son carritos chocones, los rebases no son emocionantes, mas is las carambolas que se formas con muchos carros chocados, a menos que Rick saque a relucir lo tecnico de los continuos choques en esta categoria.
Por suerte no hubieron tantos incicentes en esta carrera, por que a veces se vuelve un paseo.
Si es cierto que JPM no es de mi agrado, pero eso que; maneja muy bien, si y de que le ha servido, si siempre se desespera y hace novatadas, cuanto le aguyantara Ganassi en eso, no ha hecho nada destacado en todas las carreras que ha corrido en ovalo, y si no hacia algo bueno en circuito que hibamos a esperar; recuerden que JPM no es nuevo en ovalos, gano las 500 de Indy, que paso, cambiaron los ovalos, no creo.
Lo que todo el mundo le reprocha fue que tenia mejor carro, por que hacer esa bobada, y eso obvio que los gringos ahora haran lo imposible para que el no brille, ellos son asi.
Saludos
LA de Hamlin sobre JPM fue bompe con bompe, no como la de JPM que le dio en la esquina del auto. En fin en la primera fecha de este año, no recuerdo si Busch o NEXTEL, el segundo le pego por detras al primero y lo paso y relego a este que hiba de primero como al 5 lugar, si no me equivoco, esa obvio que ahi no hiba ha haber sancion, por eso se dice que son carritos chocones, los rebases no son emocionantes, mas is las carambolas que se formas con muchos carros chocados, a menos que Rick saque a relucir lo tecnico de los continuos choques en esta categoria.
Por suerte no hubieron tantos incicentes en esta carrera, por que a veces se vuelve un paseo.
Si es cierto que JPM no es de mi agrado, pero eso que; maneja muy bien, si y de que le ha servido, si siempre se desespera y hace novatadas, cuanto le aguyantara Ganassi en eso, no ha hecho nada destacado en todas las carreras que ha corrido en ovalo, y si no hacia algo bueno en circuito que hibamos a esperar; recuerden que JPM no es nuevo en ovalos, gano las 500 de Indy, que paso, cambiaron los ovalos, no creo.
Lo que todo el mundo le reprocha fue que tenia mejor carro, por que hacer esa bobada, y eso obvio que los gringos ahora haran lo imposible para que el no brille, ellos son asi.
Saludos
pm_cr escribió:El Colmo, segun Rick, es culpa de Pruett el choque, no ya se puede acabar el mundo.
LA de Hamlin sobre JPM fue bompe con bompe, no como la de JPM que le dio en la esquina del auto. En fin en la primera fecha de este año, no recuerdo si Busch o NEXTEL, el segundo le pego por detras al primero y lo paso y relego a este que hiba de primero como al 5 lugar, si no me equivoco, esa obvio que ahi no hiba ha haber sancion, por eso se dice que son carritos chocones, los rebases no son emocionantes, mas is las carambolas que se formas con muchos carros chocados, a menos que Rick saque a relucir lo tecnico de los continuos choques en esta categoria.
Por suerte no hubieron tantos incicentes en esta carrera, por que a veces se vuelve un paseo.
Si es cierto que JPM no es de mi agrado, pero eso que; maneja muy bien, si y de que le ha servido, si siempre se desespera y hace novatadas, cuanto le aguyantara Ganassi en eso, no ha hecho nada destacado en todas las carreras que ha corrido en ovalo, y si no hacia algo bueno en circuito que hibamos a esperar; recuerden que JPM no es nuevo en ovalos, gano las 500 de Indy, que paso, cambiaron los ovalos, no creo.
Lo que todo el mundo le reprocha fue que tenia mejor carro, por que hacer esa bobada, y eso obvio que los gringos ahora haran lo imposible para que el no brille, ellos son asi.
Saludos
creo q no haces mas q reforzar tu desconocimiento TOTAL de la categoria como nascar
correr ovalos en un auto de champ car q pesa menos de la mitad de un auto de nascar ES MUY DISTINTO..... como se t ocurre comparar un cascaron de 3500 lbs con la aerodinamica de un ladrillo.. .. . ES MUY DISTINTO
dije claramente desde un inicio, de q la culpa la tiene parte pruet por q no tomo una linea defensiva.. sabes como se toma una linea defensiva?.. si verdad?... la tomo?.. no... quieres ver una linea defenisva.. mira lo q hizo el mismo jpm cuando hamlin lo tenia detraz EN LA MISMA CURVA... se cerro para evitar un posible pase
dije claramente desde el inicio.. pruet no cuido la linea.... tiene detraz de el uno de los pilotos mas agresivos q puedan existir.. q no respeta a nadie.. y lo tiene a menos de 2 metos atraz y luego... al parecer se le olvida usar el retrovisor y ver q jpm esta por dentro
como dije desde el inicio.. incidente de carrera.. punto... ambos tienen la culpa.. por eso no fue sancionado
ahora.. si tu crees q es una novatada.. por q tu q sabes mas q montoya no vas y le das unas clasesitas de conduccion?
salu2
algunos comentarios de emcapuchados miembros de kukuxclan
(por cierto, en la foro oficial de nascar existe una encuesta acerca de la movida de jpm a pruet y el 80% estuvo a favor, ESTO NOES NADA NUEVO, DE HECHO JPM LO HIZO CON MAS FINURA Q OTROS!)
yo les recomendaria leer un poco los foros de nascar(cosa q no hacen y luego dicen de cada cual cosa), se sorprenderian
dale Sr y jpm:
Neither of them worried more about what all the cry-babies might say the next day, and actually do what race car drivers should do. Race hard and pass some other cars
In Sunday's incident Sr. would have hit Pruett square in the rear of the car with 5 MPH more speed and no brake smoke and flat out pushed Pruett off track. JPM used finesse
Once JPM gets more experience on the ovals in these cars he will really come into his own. He's a great driver and certainly is not afraid of anyone on the track. He is the Unitimidated.
Juan Pablo Montoya is very high up on the ladder, period. End of story.
Dale Sr. was the greatest stock car driver of all times, period. End of story.
Tazio Nuvolari was the greatest of all times, period. End of story.
The story yet to unfold is how well Montoya will perform in Nascar and how the fans react to him. All I can say, having followed Juan's career ever since he intimidated Michael Andretti into the wall at his first Champ Car practice, is that if you liked to watch Dale Sr, you've got someone to watch now.
JPM is a better driver than Dale Sr.
am not a Montoya fan, but I have nothing against him whatsoever. Scott Pruett, on the other hand, got some payback on him for his out of control rough driving last year at Sears Point in the Cup race. He ran over several drivers, including doing a Dave Blaney into turn 2 and blowing past 6 cars in the dirt before spinning Earnhardt, Jr. out.
My perspective. I like JPM, SP, F1, umbrella girls and Rulon Gardner (but I wouldn’t let him drive my car. LOL ) But I think JPM and SP share responsibility for the incident equally. SP should have held his tongue in front of the paparazzi until he talked with Chip.
i watched some V8 road course racing in Bahrain last night that I had recorded on the speed channel. After watching the race it backed up what I have been telling everyone. Forcing your nose down inside the turn is a common road course strategy. People were getting spun out every other lap
Scott has known Montoya for a very long time now, he saw JPM all over his backside going into an overtaking oppourtunity, pretty easy to conclude what JPM was going to do next
turn 1 is the main passing turn at that track. as such, the spotters have to be aggressive about informing their drivers about who is doing what heading into that turn. i have not heard any audio between scott and his spotter, but there was certainly plenty of time for him to say 'inside' and let scott know that he was about to be outbraked. maybe juan spun him just because he wanted to, maybe he was careless, maybe impatient, but without this missing piece of information i can't fault juan entirely because someone should have been letting scott know what was about to happen.
“Position” is in the eye of the beholder. (Pun intended)
On lap 3, JPM went inside of SP and passed with a little bumping.
On lap 25, SP went inside of AG and spun him when he came down.
On lap 73, JPM went inside of SP and spun him when he came down.
All 3 are very similar “racing incidents”. SP was upset after he was spun and said things that “could be” applied to his spinning AG. It would be interesting to hear his comments after meeting with Chip.
Montoya could get a win with his driving skill especially on a
road course -- which he did. How many cars did he pass without
spinning them out??? All but one -- and that was because Scott
came down on him. I agree with others which have said that
Scott had to know where Montoya was and did not hold his line
which resulted in Scott being spun out.....
Montoya Was the Fastest Driver/car on the track. If Pruett didn't realize it it he had plenty of warning from his crew chief during the yellow flags. The cup/bush drivers are in for a big suprise! After the race Pruett even admitted that he would have gotten out of the way "if Montoya was Faster" HE WAS Faster but Pruett didn't realize it in time!
The defense stated earlier that Pruett may have thought Juan was further back does not have any merit. Can you imagine the post race interview if that were the case? "So Scott what happened out there? Well, I thought JPM was further back, but when I went into the corner, he was underneath me. That's just dirty driving!!!"
Scott was definitely napping at the wheel with a rearview mirror full of Montoya (definitivamente)
With a guy famous for overtaking behind you need to be watching what is going on behind you as much as what is going on in front of you. Either way he left the door wide open, he needed a much more aggresive line, SP looked like he was driving during a caution
That's the problem. Why in the world didn't Pruett hold his line? The only logical explaination is that he didn't see JPM. The excuse of "I didn't see him" never works
Scott's driving was pretty sloppy at the end as far as I'm concerned.
I've never been a Montoya fan and may never be one, but I'm glad he made the switch. Excellent, clean drive for the rookie. I can't wait for Watkins Glen.
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Watch the tape. JPM admittedly dive bombed Pruett, but he held his line. That's the most important fact in this whole discussion. Why did Pruett think it was OK to use up so much track to make that corner? Pick a line, Scott, and stick to it. And, if you didn't want JPM to pass you it may have been a good idea to protect your inside rather than leave it wide open to a dive bomb maneuver
Pruett was schooled, made a mistake and then blamed someone who was faster and more talented
Scott has known Montoya for a very long time now, he saw JPM all over his backside going into an overtaking oppourtunity, pretty easy to conclude what JPM was going to do next
SP wasn't expecting Montoya to be there? That makes no sense...
That's racing it's not ice dancing.
3. I was listening to the NA$CAR radio today on satellite radio: two things...
1. People are going nuts about the race and Montoya.
2. it was pretty unanimous that Montoya had the door closed on him, by his own team mate.
I point out both these things because unlike the folks around here, those Nascar fans aren't yet anti or pro-Montoya...YET. Most were ridiculing Scott for crying about closing the door when he should have taken a far more aggresive line and left Montoya so much daylight. Its clear there is a very different attitude here about racing incidents.
"hey if you close the door that late on your team mate, be prepared to pay the price" seems to be the general sentiment.
podria seguir.. existen 61 paginas en donde msa del 80% de los fanaticos de nascar en donde el 80% concluye en lo mismo:
SP NO CUIDO LA LINEA INTERNA, JPM SE METIO, PRUET INTENTO RECUPERAR EL DESCUIDO Q HIZO CERRANDO A MONTOYA
O FUE MONTOYA Q FUE A BUSCAR A SCOTT????
s
(por cierto, en la foro oficial de nascar existe una encuesta acerca de la movida de jpm a pruet y el 80% estuvo a favor, ESTO NOES NADA NUEVO, DE HECHO JPM LO HIZO CON MAS FINURA Q OTROS!)
yo les recomendaria leer un poco los foros de nascar(cosa q no hacen y luego dicen de cada cual cosa), se sorprenderian
dale Sr y jpm:
Neither of them worried more about what all the cry-babies might say the next day, and actually do what race car drivers should do. Race hard and pass some other cars
In Sunday's incident Sr. would have hit Pruett square in the rear of the car with 5 MPH more speed and no brake smoke and flat out pushed Pruett off track. JPM used finesse
Once JPM gets more experience on the ovals in these cars he will really come into his own. He's a great driver and certainly is not afraid of anyone on the track. He is the Unitimidated.
Juan Pablo Montoya is very high up on the ladder, period. End of story.
Dale Sr. was the greatest stock car driver of all times, period. End of story.
Tazio Nuvolari was the greatest of all times, period. End of story.
The story yet to unfold is how well Montoya will perform in Nascar and how the fans react to him. All I can say, having followed Juan's career ever since he intimidated Michael Andretti into the wall at his first Champ Car practice, is that if you liked to watch Dale Sr, you've got someone to watch now.
JPM is a better driver than Dale Sr.
am not a Montoya fan, but I have nothing against him whatsoever. Scott Pruett, on the other hand, got some payback on him for his out of control rough driving last year at Sears Point in the Cup race. He ran over several drivers, including doing a Dave Blaney into turn 2 and blowing past 6 cars in the dirt before spinning Earnhardt, Jr. out.
My perspective. I like JPM, SP, F1, umbrella girls and Rulon Gardner (but I wouldn’t let him drive my car. LOL ) But I think JPM and SP share responsibility for the incident equally. SP should have held his tongue in front of the paparazzi until he talked with Chip.
i watched some V8 road course racing in Bahrain last night that I had recorded on the speed channel. After watching the race it backed up what I have been telling everyone. Forcing your nose down inside the turn is a common road course strategy. People were getting spun out every other lap
Scott has known Montoya for a very long time now, he saw JPM all over his backside going into an overtaking oppourtunity, pretty easy to conclude what JPM was going to do next
turn 1 is the main passing turn at that track. as such, the spotters have to be aggressive about informing their drivers about who is doing what heading into that turn. i have not heard any audio between scott and his spotter, but there was certainly plenty of time for him to say 'inside' and let scott know that he was about to be outbraked. maybe juan spun him just because he wanted to, maybe he was careless, maybe impatient, but without this missing piece of information i can't fault juan entirely because someone should have been letting scott know what was about to happen.
“Position” is in the eye of the beholder. (Pun intended)
On lap 3, JPM went inside of SP and passed with a little bumping.
On lap 25, SP went inside of AG and spun him when he came down.
On lap 73, JPM went inside of SP and spun him when he came down.
All 3 are very similar “racing incidents”. SP was upset after he was spun and said things that “could be” applied to his spinning AG. It would be interesting to hear his comments after meeting with Chip.
Montoya could get a win with his driving skill especially on a
road course -- which he did. How many cars did he pass without
spinning them out??? All but one -- and that was because Scott
came down on him. I agree with others which have said that
Scott had to know where Montoya was and did not hold his line
which resulted in Scott being spun out.....
Montoya Was the Fastest Driver/car on the track. If Pruett didn't realize it it he had plenty of warning from his crew chief during the yellow flags. The cup/bush drivers are in for a big suprise! After the race Pruett even admitted that he would have gotten out of the way "if Montoya was Faster" HE WAS Faster but Pruett didn't realize it in time!
The defense stated earlier that Pruett may have thought Juan was further back does not have any merit. Can you imagine the post race interview if that were the case? "So Scott what happened out there? Well, I thought JPM was further back, but when I went into the corner, he was underneath me. That's just dirty driving!!!"
Scott was definitely napping at the wheel with a rearview mirror full of Montoya (definitivamente)
With a guy famous for overtaking behind you need to be watching what is going on behind you as much as what is going on in front of you. Either way he left the door wide open, he needed a much more aggresive line, SP looked like he was driving during a caution
That's the problem. Why in the world didn't Pruett hold his line? The only logical explaination is that he didn't see JPM. The excuse of "I didn't see him" never works
Scott's driving was pretty sloppy at the end as far as I'm concerned.
I've never been a Montoya fan and may never be one, but I'm glad he made the switch. Excellent, clean drive for the rookie. I can't wait for Watkins Glen.
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Watch the tape. JPM admittedly dive bombed Pruett, but he held his line. That's the most important fact in this whole discussion. Why did Pruett think it was OK to use up so much track to make that corner? Pick a line, Scott, and stick to it. And, if you didn't want JPM to pass you it may have been a good idea to protect your inside rather than leave it wide open to a dive bomb maneuver
Pruett was schooled, made a mistake and then blamed someone who was faster and more talented
Scott has known Montoya for a very long time now, he saw JPM all over his backside going into an overtaking oppourtunity, pretty easy to conclude what JPM was going to do next
SP wasn't expecting Montoya to be there? That makes no sense...
That's racing it's not ice dancing.
3. I was listening to the NA$CAR radio today on satellite radio: two things...
1. People are going nuts about the race and Montoya.
2. it was pretty unanimous that Montoya had the door closed on him, by his own team mate.
I point out both these things because unlike the folks around here, those Nascar fans aren't yet anti or pro-Montoya...YET. Most were ridiculing Scott for crying about closing the door when he should have taken a far more aggresive line and left Montoya so much daylight. Its clear there is a very different attitude here about racing incidents.
"hey if you close the door that late on your team mate, be prepared to pay the price" seems to be the general sentiment.
podria seguir.. existen 61 paginas en donde msa del 80% de los fanaticos de nascar en donde el 80% concluye en lo mismo:
SP NO CUIDO LA LINEA INTERNA, JPM SE METIO, PRUET INTENTO RECUPERAR EL DESCUIDO Q HIZO CERRANDO A MONTOYA
O FUE MONTOYA Q FUE A BUSCAR A SCOTT????
s
ESTO es para todos los q EN SUS VIDAS no ha visto carrera de autos
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TctLnQT21TY
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TctLnQT21TY
nascrap y DeTontosM? o simplemente RACING?!?!?... EN NASCAR SOLO ESTAN LOS CARRITOS CHOCONES???
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1LbLevXQLS0& ... ed&search=
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1LbLevXQLS0& ... ed&search=
Mas contacto y choques.... quien dijo q en nascar son los unicos q se golpean ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdAdiPhk ... ed&search=
parece q en sus vidas han visto carreras algunas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdAdiPhk ... ed&search=
parece q en sus vidas han visto carreras algunas
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Resuelto el asuntito de Hamlin y JPM en la curva uno del Autodromo Hermanos Rodríguez de México. Hamlin empujó el bumper del carro 42 tres veces.
Hamlin lo que quería era empujar a JPM a la victoria. Nunca trató poner riesgo la conducción de JPM. Nos han dado una buena lección de parte de un conocedor de NASCAR!!!
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Hamlin lo que quería era empujar a JPM a la victoria. Nunca trató poner riesgo la conducción de JPM. Nos han dado una buena lección de parte de un conocedor de NASCAR!!!
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Cansado de ver como 57 VAGOS destruyen al país!!!!!!
Marvin Jaén escribió:Resuelto el asuntito de Hamlin y JPM en la curva uno del Autodromo Hermanos Rodríguez de México. Hamlin empujó el bumper del carro 42 tres veces.
Hamlin lo que quería era empujar a JPM a la victoria. Nunca trató poner riesgo la conducción de JPM. Nos han dado una buena lección de parte de un conocedor de NASCAR!!!
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si.. ahora resulta q es un gran conocedor de la nasscar
resulta q es lo mismo manejar ovalos en un champcar q en un stockcar
