hice un benchmarking para ver algunas cosas, por ejemplo Relación costo/beneficio en autos de líneas y prestaciones similares ... lástima q no pude meter a Volvo porq todos los V6 2006 son turbo, igual q Saab ..
tal vez el carro green-go no tiene los mismos acabados, pero CON ESE PRECIO lo de menos es lo de más ...
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¿ Audi por encima de BMW ?
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M5 E60
The ultimate in sports saloon motoring has got a name: M5. This finest 5 Series vehicle is the most powerful of all time: five litres of cubic capacity, ten cylinders, a maximum output of 507 bhp, a peak torque of 520 Newton metres and engine speeds redlining at 8,000 rpm, these are figures that speak for themselves. In an unprecedented way, these figures blur the lines between a car for everyday use and a vehicle for ambitious motor sport racing.
With its performance figures, the fourth-generation M5 once again sets the benchmark in the segment of powerful sports saloons, a niche which the first M5 carved for itself back in 1984. During the last 20 years, this first M5 and all its successors have made their mark, always setting the standard as a perfect symbiosis of a comfortable, elegant saloon for everyday use, abundant output delivered by a powerful engine and ultimate sportiness. With sales figures exceeding 20,000, the M5 has proved to be an economically successful concept which combines prodigious performance with understatement, a basic feature of all M automobiles.
The V10 is the only high-revving power unit to be featured in a series-production car. Featured in the most powerful production car within the BMW model family, this new engine once again sets the benchmark in its class. For the BMW M engineers the compact, high-revving normally aspirated engine was the ideal choice. With a red line of 8,250 rpm, the ten-cylinder engine has ventured into terrain which has so far been reserved for red-blooded racing cars. Compared to the previous M5 eight-cylinder engine, performance has increased by more than 25 percent. The M5 has also surpassed the magical 100 bhp per litre limit, its specific output being on par with that of racing cars.
The two five-cylinder banks of the V10 are arranged at an angle of 90° to achieve a mass balance of the crankshaft drive, which is optimised for low vibration and increased comfort. For reasons of stiffness and due to the high loads resulting from combustion pressure, engine speed and vibrations, a bedplate design has been chosen for the crankcase, the first-ever application in a production V engine by BMW. For an optimum alignment of the crankshaft, grey-cast iron inserts have been integrated into the aluminium bedplate, which also serve to enhance acoustics, increase vibrational comfort and ensure a high oil supply rate. The extremely stiff crankshaft is supported by six bearings. High-pressure bi-VANOS and individual throttle butterflies.
The high-revving concept only succeeds in combination with a gearbox which translates the torque available to the engine, by means of a short overall transmission ratio, into optimised forward thrust. The seven-speed SMG gearbox is precisely the right transmission to ideally convey the V10 engine’s power via the drive train to the wheels. BMW M is the first manufacturer worldwide to offer a seven-speed sequential gearbox with drivelogic function. Even more highly perfected than the previous six-speed transmission, the seven-speed SMG gearbox enables manual gear selection with ultra-short shifting times as well as comfortable cruising thanks to automated gear selection. The purpose of the additional seventh gear is to reduce engine speed and torque gaps. New SMG gearbox’s speed up by 20 percent.
Thanks to the SMG’s drivelogic function, the driver can choose from eleven gear change options, which enable him to adapt the SMG’s characteristics to his very own style of motoring. Six of these programs can be pre-selected in the sequential manual gearbox mode (S mode), the spectrum ranging from balanced dynamic to very sporty. With the gearbox in the S mode, the driver always shifts gears manually. Whenever the driver activates the Launch Control function, the SMG Drivelogic shifts gears shortly before the maximum engine speed is reached at precisely the right moment and with optimum slip until the M5 reaches its top speed.
The differences in design versus the basic 5 Series are discreet but consistent, giving the M5 a surprisingly high level of uniqueness in terms of looks, without questioning the common genes with the BMW model series. The modified front and rear aprons are instant eye catchers. Another difference is the modified side sills and the somewhat more prominent wheel arches. Traditionally, the M differs from the 'normal' BMW in its exclusive exterior mirror design, the four tailpipes, which have also become an unmistakable feature of all M vehicles, and the exclusive wheel design. For the first time, the M5 sports very attractive gills which are incorporated into the front side panel.
The M5 comes with a leather interior in three different colours, which makes it look even more sophisticated than the lavishly equipped basic model or – for an extra price – with a full leather interior, which looks absolutely stunning. Further important differences versus the 5 Series are the instrument cluster, the optional M-specific head-up display, the steering wheel with MDrive buttons and the redesigned centre console.
SIMPLEMENTE AUDI NO TIENE CON QUE HACERLE FRENTE A ESTE CARRO
The ultimate in sports saloon motoring has got a name: M5. This finest 5 Series vehicle is the most powerful of all time: five litres of cubic capacity, ten cylinders, a maximum output of 507 bhp, a peak torque of 520 Newton metres and engine speeds redlining at 8,000 rpm, these are figures that speak for themselves. In an unprecedented way, these figures blur the lines between a car for everyday use and a vehicle for ambitious motor sport racing.
With its performance figures, the fourth-generation M5 once again sets the benchmark in the segment of powerful sports saloons, a niche which the first M5 carved for itself back in 1984. During the last 20 years, this first M5 and all its successors have made their mark, always setting the standard as a perfect symbiosis of a comfortable, elegant saloon for everyday use, abundant output delivered by a powerful engine and ultimate sportiness. With sales figures exceeding 20,000, the M5 has proved to be an economically successful concept which combines prodigious performance with understatement, a basic feature of all M automobiles.
The V10 is the only high-revving power unit to be featured in a series-production car. Featured in the most powerful production car within the BMW model family, this new engine once again sets the benchmark in its class. For the BMW M engineers the compact, high-revving normally aspirated engine was the ideal choice. With a red line of 8,250 rpm, the ten-cylinder engine has ventured into terrain which has so far been reserved for red-blooded racing cars. Compared to the previous M5 eight-cylinder engine, performance has increased by more than 25 percent. The M5 has also surpassed the magical 100 bhp per litre limit, its specific output being on par with that of racing cars.
The two five-cylinder banks of the V10 are arranged at an angle of 90° to achieve a mass balance of the crankshaft drive, which is optimised for low vibration and increased comfort. For reasons of stiffness and due to the high loads resulting from combustion pressure, engine speed and vibrations, a bedplate design has been chosen for the crankcase, the first-ever application in a production V engine by BMW. For an optimum alignment of the crankshaft, grey-cast iron inserts have been integrated into the aluminium bedplate, which also serve to enhance acoustics, increase vibrational comfort and ensure a high oil supply rate. The extremely stiff crankshaft is supported by six bearings. High-pressure bi-VANOS and individual throttle butterflies.
The high-revving concept only succeeds in combination with a gearbox which translates the torque available to the engine, by means of a short overall transmission ratio, into optimised forward thrust. The seven-speed SMG gearbox is precisely the right transmission to ideally convey the V10 engine’s power via the drive train to the wheels. BMW M is the first manufacturer worldwide to offer a seven-speed sequential gearbox with drivelogic function. Even more highly perfected than the previous six-speed transmission, the seven-speed SMG gearbox enables manual gear selection with ultra-short shifting times as well as comfortable cruising thanks to automated gear selection. The purpose of the additional seventh gear is to reduce engine speed and torque gaps. New SMG gearbox’s speed up by 20 percent.
Thanks to the SMG’s drivelogic function, the driver can choose from eleven gear change options, which enable him to adapt the SMG’s characteristics to his very own style of motoring. Six of these programs can be pre-selected in the sequential manual gearbox mode (S mode), the spectrum ranging from balanced dynamic to very sporty. With the gearbox in the S mode, the driver always shifts gears manually. Whenever the driver activates the Launch Control function, the SMG Drivelogic shifts gears shortly before the maximum engine speed is reached at precisely the right moment and with optimum slip until the M5 reaches its top speed.
The differences in design versus the basic 5 Series are discreet but consistent, giving the M5 a surprisingly high level of uniqueness in terms of looks, without questioning the common genes with the BMW model series. The modified front and rear aprons are instant eye catchers. Another difference is the modified side sills and the somewhat more prominent wheel arches. Traditionally, the M differs from the 'normal' BMW in its exclusive exterior mirror design, the four tailpipes, which have also become an unmistakable feature of all M vehicles, and the exclusive wheel design. For the first time, the M5 sports very attractive gills which are incorporated into the front side panel.
The M5 comes with a leather interior in three different colours, which makes it look even more sophisticated than the lavishly equipped basic model or – for an extra price – with a full leather interior, which looks absolutely stunning. Further important differences versus the 5 Series are the instrument cluster, the optional M-specific head-up display, the steering wheel with MDrive buttons and the redesigned centre console.
SIMPLEMENTE AUDI NO TIENE CON QUE HACERLE FRENTE A ESTE CARRO
Adrián
BMW M3 E90
Power will come from a new lightweight V8 producing around 450hp and uses the latest dual-VANOS variable valve timing system. New engine building technology and lightweight materials mean the engine should amazingly weigh the same as the outgoing 3.2 liter in-line 6 cylinder from the current E46 M3 but with considerably more power.
O sea ya no esta arriba el RS4 como estan diciendo...
Power will come from a new lightweight V8 producing around 450hp and uses the latest dual-VANOS variable valve timing system. New engine building technology and lightweight materials mean the engine should amazingly weigh the same as the outgoing 3.2 liter in-line 6 cylinder from the current E46 M3 but with considerably more power.
O sea ya no esta arriba el RS4 como estan diciendo...
Adrián
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jurgen larsson escribió:Aspirados ???
Sorry, el nuevo RS-4 deja a cualquiera pidiendo por mas. Para la calle un V-8 aspirado con 420 Hp's @ 8200 RPM's.... quien esta cerca de eso ???
Quisiera alguien me informe de un sedan mid-size class (catalogado como un Super-car por los criticos) con esas prestaciones
me la pele, yo pense q el RS 4 era soplado, quien se le acerca a eso,... pues nada mas q el M5 q tiene mas caballaje q eso
como dijo otro forista, para gustos colores
cada uno defiende la marca q a uno le gusto
yo prefiero aspirado sobre turbo(aunque los turbos tambien me gustan mucho)
para mi son mejores los BMW que los Audi aunque audi tiene mas victorias a traves de la historia
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Against the stopwatch, the 500-horsepower M5 is in the same league as the Audi RS6 and the Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG, because the makers of all three quote a 0-to-62-mph time of 4.7 seconds, and all three bump up against the limiter at 155 mph. But the BMW is different, because it involves you and feels as if it was built by people with passion. Putting the M5 through its paces is a spine-tingling and pupil-widening experience. This is a high-performance five-seater that can be fine-tuned to meet individual preferences and driving styles. The new M5 invites you to calibrate the engine, transmission, steering, traction control, and damper characteristics.ROLOcr escribió:jurgen larsson escribió:Aspirados ???
Sorry, el nuevo RS-4 deja a cualquiera pidiendo por mas. Para la calle un V-8 aspirado con 420 Hp's @ 8200 RPM's.... quien esta cerca de eso ???
Quisiera alguien me informe de un sedan mid-size class (catalogado como un Super-car por los criticos) con esas prestaciones
me la pele, yo pense q el RS 4 era soplado, quien se le acerca a eso,... pues nada mas q el M5 q tiene mas caballaje q eso
como dijo otro forista, para gustos colores
cada uno defiende la marca q a uno le gusto
yo prefiero aspirado sobre turbo(aunque los turbos tambien me gustan mucho)
para mi son mejores los BMW que los Audi aunque audi tiene mas victorias a traves de la historia
Me parece que BMW se es mas agresivo con su M5 500hp de un 5.0L !! Audi no se queda atras y sube su V8 a 450HP con Twin Turbo!!
Pero esto es solo hablando de la potencia de los dos carros, que hay de la calidad de manejo, la estabilidad y otras cosas?
Me parece que en esa liga Audi tiene que apostar más que un sistema Quattro, que por mas alabado que sea, ya no esta a la vanguardia de este tipo de tecnologias !!
Que impresionante este motor V8 FSI de 4120cc de Audi !! Supera la barrera de los 100hp por litro a ------------- !! Si hicieran las cosas de esa manera en otras plataformas de autos diferentes, llegarian a tener el prestogio que tiene BMW como fabrica de automoviles !!
Muy parejo. Me sigo quedando con BMW
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Yo por otro lado te digo muy parejo. Me sigo quedando con Audi....Sylderado escribió:
Muy parejo. Me sigo quedando con BMW
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JAJAJAJAJA .......
Esta bonito el pique......
Que poco de mordidos y en que clase de aviones....
Ahora, el M5 es un serie 5 modificado por la fabrica o me equivoco?
El RS-6 es stock y con solo un chip queda en 510 Hp's....
De acuerdo y como lo mencione antes el RS-4 es desarrollado por Quattro Gmbh... y no por Audi AG
Esta bonito el pique......
Que poco de mordidos y en que clase de aviones....
Ahora, el M5 es un serie 5 modificado por la fabrica o me equivoco?
El RS-6 es stock y con solo un chip queda en 510 Hp's....
De acuerdo y como lo mencione antes el RS-4 es desarrollado por Quattro Gmbh... y no por Audi AG
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EL M3 es con un S4 o me equivoco? Nunca he visto que lo comparen con un RS4.jurgen larsson escribió:Que enfermos que son... somos....
El RS-4 es contra el M-3
El RS-6 seria la competencia del M-5 pero no se hace desde hace 2 años... esperemos que la compañia de los 4 aros se disponga a hacerlo.
Anyway, con cualquiera de ellos cualquiera de nosotros seria mas que feliz... for life...
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M5 VS RS6
el rs-6 actual no tiene nada q hacer contra el m5 actual...es un carro muy reciente con tecnologia de f1!el motor v-10 q usa está basado en el de f1 si no me equivoco...en bajas el audi lo destroza...pero cuando ese bm pasa las 5000rpm...nadamas le dice ADIOS...y ni q decir en las curvas el m5 se la lleva tambn...xq el audi es MUY pesado!...en fin habrá q esperar a ver q saca audi..
M3 VS S4
bno...todos sabemos quien gana...x más q el audi tenga dos cilindros mas y mas cilindraje no le llega al m3...ni en linea recta ni en nada, el m3 es MUY agil y le gana en todo lo q se refiere a prestaciones, pero el m3 es un coupe para 4 personas y con un espacio interior muy escazo, en cambio el s4 es 4 puertas con el espacio de un a4, asi q para mi estos carros no van hacia el mismo mercado...
ahora si el rs4...audi se le adelantó a bmw, en este momento esta solo...aunq le podemos hechar el m3csl...pero pienso a nada q ver...mucha gorreada jaja... bmw ya ahorita saca su m3 v8,q ahora si tambn van hacerlo de 4 ptas para ir directo a competir con el rs4!!va a ser un verdadero chuzo me imagino!
en cuanto a lo q comentó jurgen de q si habia un carro q se le pudiera poner al rs-4 nuevo...hay 2 q vienen en camino como lo dije antes obviamente el m3...PERO hay uno q viene muy enserio el 159 GTA!q va a utilizar un motor maserati 4.2 v-8 de 440cv(jajaja sonará mas rico q el rs-4??),
con traccion Q4(en las cuatro ruedas)y con esa plataforma q hizo alfa romeo del 159 q en todas las pruebas está superando a sus competidores...muchas de las revistas dicen q es la mejor plataforma del mercado en berlinas de pequeño-mediano tamaño...en pocas palabras un ferrari sedan jaja y acsesible en cuanto al precio"bno digamos"...
aki les dejo como podría ser el 159gta
el rs-6 actual no tiene nada q hacer contra el m5 actual...es un carro muy reciente con tecnologia de f1!el motor v-10 q usa está basado en el de f1 si no me equivoco...en bajas el audi lo destroza...pero cuando ese bm pasa las 5000rpm...nadamas le dice ADIOS...y ni q decir en las curvas el m5 se la lleva tambn...xq el audi es MUY pesado!...en fin habrá q esperar a ver q saca audi..
M3 VS S4
bno...todos sabemos quien gana...x más q el audi tenga dos cilindros mas y mas cilindraje no le llega al m3...ni en linea recta ni en nada, el m3 es MUY agil y le gana en todo lo q se refiere a prestaciones, pero el m3 es un coupe para 4 personas y con un espacio interior muy escazo, en cambio el s4 es 4 puertas con el espacio de un a4, asi q para mi estos carros no van hacia el mismo mercado...
ahora si el rs4...audi se le adelantó a bmw, en este momento esta solo...aunq le podemos hechar el m3csl...pero pienso a nada q ver...mucha gorreada jaja... bmw ya ahorita saca su m3 v8,q ahora si tambn van hacerlo de 4 ptas para ir directo a competir con el rs4!!va a ser un verdadero chuzo me imagino!
en cuanto a lo q comentó jurgen de q si habia un carro q se le pudiera poner al rs-4 nuevo...hay 2 q vienen en camino como lo dije antes obviamente el m3...PERO hay uno q viene muy enserio el 159 GTA!q va a utilizar un motor maserati 4.2 v-8 de 440cv(jajaja sonará mas rico q el rs-4??),
con traccion Q4(en las cuatro ruedas)y con esa plataforma q hizo alfa romeo del 159 q en todas las pruebas está superando a sus competidores...muchas de las revistas dicen q es la mejor plataforma del mercado en berlinas de pequeño-mediano tamaño...en pocas palabras un ferrari sedan jaja y acsesible en cuanto al precio"bno digamos"...aki les dejo como podría ser el 159gta